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April 16th, 2014, 6:00 am

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Reply Djoing, March 16th, 2014, 1:51 pm

If you don't get what they're talking about on those last three panels, study up on your Jirachi knowledge.

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Reply Napo, Unlaunched Cannon, April 16th, 2014, 6:08 am

Oh fishes. I was hoping you were ignoring that.

Reply youdont12know, April 16th, 2014, 6:09 am

WHat napo said

Reply Lottos35, April 16th, 2014, 6:34 am

*gives jirachi an zubat hat*

Reply Ziliath, April 16th, 2014, 7:12 am

Yeah the thing about legendarys having no gender is nothing short of "unknown" they have one like all species, they just did not give em one to stop them breeding for the games sake.

do you think the game would be that fun if you could make jirachi eggs and trade them off? becomes less legendary. my point is, it has a gender all legendarys do it was a game reason why they did not let their gender be known, so i kinda expect for storys and comics that they would have a gender.

so unless jirachi has been newterd..... or if you said gender preference.....:P

Reply The_mad_one, April 16th, 2014, 10:45 am


@Ziliath: Do you have a source that confirms that they do have a gender or are you just speculating?

If there's only one of each legendary, there's no biological reason for having a gender so them being genderless makes sense. Especially the god legendaries.

Reply Retro Pikachu, April 16th, 2014, 11:26 am

I love the Hoehn cameo in the third panel.

Reply Kurona, April 16th, 2014, 11:41 am

"they just did not give em one to stop them breeding for the games sake."

Except genderless Pokemon such as Porygon, Magnemite and Metagross are all able to breed with a Ditto. It isn't being genderless alone that prevents a Pokemon from breeding - in addition, certain legendaries DO have genders, such as Latias, Cresselia and Landorus. In fact, one legendary, Heatran, can be EITHER male or female - so by your logic, it should be able to breed.

And then there's the whole Manaphy + Ditto = Phione thing.

Reply supersonic1009, April 16th, 2014, 12:43 pm


Reply KameHameHaC12, April 16th, 2014, 3:33 pm

@Retro Pikachu:
U saw that too huh
I love Hoenn

Reply Ziliath, April 17th, 2014, 12:49 am

@The_mad_one: Evidence? how about Biology 101, all life reproduce. pokemon has a 2 gender system.

you might get away with saying the creation trio has no gender. but all this "genderless" nonsense is a failure of the game designers to fully understand biological evolution and thus they made mistakes.

im saying the game designers did not give them a gender and they were wrong. so because its not accurate to the reality they created, its a plot hole in their own story

Premise 1. all pokemon are biological organisms (species)
Premise 2 Biological organisms (pokemon)reproduce through sex, (2 genders)
Premise 3 Jirachi is a biological organism
Conclusion: Jirachi as a species have genders.

this type of evidence is called a logical deduction. if all 3 premises are correct, the conclusion necessarily follows.

to put it simple, Jirachi is a species therefore it has the capability to reproduce and it is logical to assume a 2 gender system because that's the parameters the game designers set up.

also, to the idea that there is only 1 of each legendary...thats been debunked. i will explain it to you if you ask. and i will also use logical deduction and evidence found within the games.

Reply Ziliath, April 17th, 2014, 1:05 am

@Kurona: yes the Heatran do breed, but i am not restricting myself to game mechanics.

if they dont reproduce like all other species do, then you must give an alternative explanation for why they exist as a species.

being not able to breed in the game means nothing other than the people who made the game did not want to mass producing legendary pokemon.

besides, in the 16th pokemon movie, the mewtwo in the movie was CONFIRMED to be female, by the people who made the movie themselvs...

if we are gonna look at why they have no gender, we must include evidence from ALL parts of the franchise.

lugia is listed as genderless and we were shown a baby lugia in the anime, Conclusion, the pokedex is wrong when it lists their gender is "genderless", it ahould be "Unknown" as the "genderless" pokemon theory was debunked (for lugias') when a baby luga was found.

Reply Kurona, April 17th, 2014, 10:24 am

1. An alternative solution isn't necessarily required as that does not seem to be the point of this story so far.
2. Implying Pokemon follows real life biology.
3. Games =/= Anime. You cannot say that something in the anime means the same must follow in the games, as they are two different continuities and as such cannot be compared in this manner.

Reply Ziliath, April 17th, 2014, 11:50 am

1. then it leaves a plot hole. it dosent have to be the point of the story just not be a plot hole.
2. it does. pokemon was based on the concept of evolution, its only natural to assume that it does, including a brand new biological mechanism called pokemon evolution (Reid cellular rearrangement)
3. "Games =/= Anime. You cannot say that something in the anime means the same must follow in the games"
Actually i can. you are implying that different continuitys have different laws of physics, that's simply not true. all continuitys are made from the same base idea, what works in one is auto implied across the entire franchise. if we see each continuity as a parallel world, to assume that in 1 lugia has a gender and in the other it does not is absurd, you would have to explain how the other evolved without a biological mechanism for reproduction. when there are known methods shown in a different continuity but same franchise unless there is a direct statement saying its not connected they are tangentially. there is no basis for a change in physics based on in-game restrictions. its just the anthers did not want people doing certian things with the "genderless" pokemon, understandable but why would you take this mechanic and run with it within a fan story? when its supposed to only be for the sake of the game.
4. the comic author can do whatever they want, im just saying they got a detail wrong based on bad information. cant i point that out? (point out plot holes)

Reply Kurona, April 17th, 2014, 1:01 pm

1. Nnnno it doesn't. Using that logic, the fact we don't know what our main protagonist had for breakfast is a plothole just because it's never addressed. We know there must be some way these legendaries were created, and if it's left at that, there is no contradiction to make a plothole. I can only assume you have a completely different understanding of what the word 'Plothole' means.
2. When was it ever, ever stated in any official material or by word of the creators that Pokemon follows real life biology? If you want to believe that it does, sure, go ahead, but that doesn't make it true.
3. ... yes. Yes they do. The anime uses a COMPLETELY different set of rules and physics from the games. You can see this just through watching one episode. There's a whole page called 'anime physics' on Bulbapedia. The games and anime are produced by different groups with limited communication. There is just absolutely no way to connect the two as the exact same thing following the exact same rules.

This isn't even a real argument. This is me just telling you facts you could easily find out for yourself through 10 seconds of research, or just using a little common sense. So please, just check your facts before coming back with arguments like this, because this is honestly very tiresome.

Reply The_mad_one, April 17th, 2014, 2:38 pm


First of all, the statement that all biological creatures have a sex is false. Bacteria being the most obvious example, but also a bunch of plants.

Second, you cannot compare pokemon evolution to real evolution. What happens to pokemon is an extreme type of mutation or metamorphosis. I suspect the latter, since their next forms are always the same. That also applies to eevee, its 8 "evolutions" are always the same. This suggests that their other forms are already predefined in their dna.

Evolution, by definition, happens through procreation (generally in combination with mutations). When a pokemon "evolves" it is still the same creature. The only type of true evolution in pokemon is stat breeding.

Plus, legendaries don't evolve, so evolution is not very relevant to the matter of their gender to begin with.

Deduction means removing all possibilities until only one remains. That's not what you're doing. You are listing a few (false) assumptions and then check whether they apply to the result you want. That's induction.

It's possible that legendaries have genders. It's also possible that they don't. Neither can be absolutely debunked, so by true deduction there is no answer.

Since I'm not outright disregarding the games as a valid source (the games were even there before the anime), I'm assuming the canon truth is what the games say: They are genderless.

If you're wondering how they came to exist if not through sex: Maybe Arceus made them. Maybe they spontaniously mutated or metamorphosed (or evolved, as the pokeworld calls it) out of a normal pokemon and lost their gender in the process (which can also happen in nature). Both of these possibilities still work if there's more than one of every legendary. In fact, both of these still work if there's some legendaries of the same species with genders. If they were all created independently, there's nothing that prevents some from having a gender while others are genderless.

There are several possibilities and your theory is just one.

Reply Da Tico, April 17th, 2014, 3:56 pm

@The_mad_one: mad plz

Reply Napo, Unlaunched Cannon, April 17th, 2014, 11:59 pm

Guys, guys, guys.

Obviously what they say about Pokémon's genders and compatabilities are false and they only use those to differentiate Pokémon, and also because scientists have no idea why certain Pokémon can breed.

All the Pokémon are in on it too. Just think about moves like Attract having no effect when "genderless" Pokémon are involved. And also maybe Pokémon like Latios and Kangaskhan only come in their respective "genders" because they feel that only those would fit them better?

Oh my Arceus… Pokémon are going to destroy the world.

Reply Mewitty, May 7th, 2014, 3:39 am

It's pokemon. No logic exists (luckily) in the world of pokemon. Simple.

Reply WiispNightmare, April 22nd, 2016, 7:06 am

Mr. Grumpypants he is

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